Ned Stark, Noble or Idiotic?
Ned
Stark, Noble or Idiotic?
Ned Stark, the beloved fan favorite character in Game of
Thrones, is dead. Ned’s death has raised a lot of questions in the Game of
Thrones community: is it smarter to be noble and a man of honor or to fight for
your life by any means necessary? Should we teach our kids about honor and
fairytales or about how the Game of Thrones world really works?
I personally believe that Ned Stark is an idiot. Ned is
an honorable man, no one can take that away from him, but that didn’t save his
head. I believe that Ned’s actions from beginning to end got him killed. I believe that the way he thinks has been
implemented into Sansa. Sansa’s poor decision making comes from being raised by
Ned and learning the ways from him.
Sansa and her father Ned
share many similarities that I believe are looked over because they are on
different sides of the fandom. Ned is fan favorite and Sansa is easily one of
the most hated characters. Is Sansa’s hatred right when Ned is doing the same
thing but is loved? I think not, the people that hate on Sansa need to look a
little closer at the decisions that both have made and realize the similarities
between the two. On goodreads
is it discussed how poor of a decision it was for Ned to go and tell Cerci
about his knowledge of what happened between herself and Jamie. This is the
definition of foolish. Ned had all the cards and choose to just tell everything
to the person it was about.
This decision is oddly like a decision that Sansa made
shortly before. Ned told his daughters of his plan to send them back to
Winterfell and Sansa being stuck in her fantasy world of marrying Joffery, she
goes and tells Cersei of his plan and that decision is the beginning of the end
for Ned. ASOIAF
University discusses some similarities between these two
characters, but the one that stuck out to me is discussing how both Ned and Sansa share a common trait of being naïve. Sansa’s come off as being a stupid
teenager whereas Ned’s is looked at as being an honorable man and believing in
the times of truth and honor. Ned and Sansa are one in the same.
Ned was big fish at Winterfell, he could be honorable and
teach honor and the fairy tales of how the world is supposed to work to his
kids. Unfortunately, what was being taught was not how the world works. People
don’t care about honor in Kings Landing. They care about power and being in
control. They will kill or turn their backs on whoever they must. They will protect
what they have or to get more than what they have.
On Quora,
Sansa is said to have been a story or in a fairytale. This is a true statement
when you look at how she lived in Winterfell. Everything was a dream for her.
She was under the impression that she would grow up and marry the prince and
son of King Robert and one day be the queen. This idea quickly changed when she
moved to King’s Landing and realized that Joffery isn’t who she thought. The
point here is that Ned raised her to believe that her life would be perfect,
and everything would workout the way that it was supposed to. He had her
believing in all these “fairytales”, which shaped how she made her decisions
once moving.
Why would Ned teach Sansa all these false things if he is
such an honorable man? That question is answered by understanding the fact that
Ned is an idiot. Ned was under the impression that what he was teaching Sansa
was correct. Ned was also living in his own fairytale. Ned believing the world
would run the way its “supposed” to just because there are laws is ridiculous.
He believed that Cersei would just leave King’s Landing after telling her that
he knew about her and Jamie. This an example of Ned being a complete idiot. Ned
was living by how the world is supposed to work. His failure to realize that
the world is changing and being honest all the time isn’t how it works anymore
is a reason that his head got chopped off.
People’s hatred for Sansa comes from how they group her.
People naturally place her in the same boat as Cat because of her lady like
tendencies and they place Arya with Ned because of her warrior attitude. These
are both wrong groupings as discussed on Thunks
of Ice and Fire.
Sansa is much more like her father. She shares his naive
ways. She shares the foolishness to believe that you can trust anyone,
espically Little Finger. She isn’t a great warrior like her father, but she
shares more human characteristics than Arya does.
Arya is a warrior inside and out. She has learned quickly
how to kill and doesn’t mind having to do it if it means protecting herself.
She is like Cat in the fact that she is smart and can see through people’s
crap. She doesn’t take crap from anyone either including the Hound.
Ned’s death was a tragic event for his family, his
daughters that were there, and to the Game of Throne community. Ned’s death did
have some good come out of it. Sansa has since learned from her foolish start.
She no longer believes in fairytales or in happy endings. Sansa has learned how
to “play the game”. I mean that she has learned how to lie and not let her true
feelings or intentions leave her thoughts. One example of this is when she is
eating dinner with Cersei and her other children and is asked about the dress
that the daughter will wear at her wedding and she replies with that she will
look beautiful instead of letting her true feelings out. Another example is
when she is talking to Tyrian and he asks her if she still wanted to be with
Joffery and she just replies with that she is loyal to her King. Sansa has
learned when to be honest and who she can trust and cannot trust. Sansa has
learned how to live.
Sansa and Ned are the epidemy of similar. The two have
managed to make the same mistakes and not learn from each other. If that
doesn’t tell you that Ned is a damn fool and Sansa is apple that didn’t fall
from the tree, then I don’t know what will.
I understand what Tyler is saying about Sansa. I think that people hate Sansa because of how she is grouped in terms of gender and they don't really look at how smart and cunning she really is . Her father taught her how to play the system and use what she is given to succeed in the world that she was placed in and I think her father would be proud of that. So there is no reason for all the hate that she receives. As far as Ned goes, I think that he was kind of an idiot for not being smart and choosing his life over his honor.
ReplyDeleteOkay, but Ned isn't an idiot. I agree that him and Sansa are very similar, but I don't think either of them are idiots. Yes Ned made some "bad" decisions, and one deadly one, but this doesn't make him an idiot. People always go by what they believe in, even if it gets them killed. Ned was living and raising his kids from his experience of what is right. He's always, for the most part, been in Winterfell, so his actions in King's Landing would've had a different outcome if he was still in Winterfell. So, if all of this happened in Winterfell, and Ned wouldn't have been executed, would you still think of him as an idiot? Probably not. Ned is no idiot, but he is stuck in his naive ways of living through honor that work in Winterfell, but not in King's Landing.
ReplyDeletelet me start by just saying I don't agree with him being a idiot. I do agree however with him being foolish and that his honor did not save him his life. Although, Ned did have plenty of warning signs leading up to what caused his death which he completely ignored he still wasn't a flat out idiot. He had the right deck of cards he just had NO IDEA how to play his hand right. The death of Ned was a shock and I agree his daughter did learn from his foolish mistakes which I feel like helped her in the series a lot better. p.s that meme is funny
ReplyDeleteNed is foolish, I have said that before because him being as powerful as he is, he should have known what he was doing. Especially when it came to approaching people that was just as powerful as him. Sansa on the other hand I feel is just a naïve 13-year-old girl who was just trying to start a family of her own, as she was to do. I don’t think anything that Sansa did was meant to harm others, especially her father. Although being around the Lannister’s she should have know how sneaky they were and how unpredictable Joffrey was. Both Ned and Sansa actions were questionable as Ned spoke about something, he had no business in and Sansa telling Cersei about her dad planning on bringing them back to Winterfell. They should have kept their mouths shut but in the end they didn’t. They were only trying to protect themselves and their families but that didn’t turn out so well, since Joffrey was involved.
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