Villains Are Humans Too
A Game of Thrones is a series that has plenty of
villains, both to love and to hate. One of the top-ranking bastards, quite
literally, is Joffrey Baratheon. He is my personal favorite villain to both
love and hate. He is evil and sadistic in every way possible and nothing brings
me greater joy than his death, but is that how I should feel? I didn’t enjoy
reading his death nor watching it in the show, I’m a little too queasy for
that, but at the same time I was extremely happy that he was finally dead. Not
only was he dead, he was murdered by way of poison... at his own wedding.
Honestly, I loved it and the irony that was there. I mean, seeing him in true
royal colors was pleasing.
Now, let’s look a little further north to another
villain, Theon Greyjoy. Here, we see another villain that people love to
hate... in the beginning. When Theon is taken captive, it is a time of
celebration. Personally, I was excited to see what was going to happen to him,
and then I began reading the horrible things and I instantly felt as if I were
the villain in this situation. I remember thinking to myself, “Why? Why do I
feel so much joy watching him get hurt? It wasn’t truly his fault, he was just
a victim like the people he had hurt, he’s just a dumb boy who didn’t know better,”
and then I realized that I was feeling pity for him. In that moment, I refused
to hate him. I was hoping against all odds that Theon was able to redeem
himself and become a lovable character again.
Two characters. Both still children in truth. Both having
done horrible things finally getting served justice, and yet I regret feeling
happy for only one to be punished. In truth I’ve never really sat down to think
about how similar the two characters are. Reflecting on this now, it amazes me
that I still feel the same way. I am very happy that Joffrey is dead, and I am
very enthusiastic to see how Theon’s story ends (I haven’t finished the show
yet, but I’m told that he does redeem himself). Now I’m just wondering how many
people felt the same, or at least similarly, about these two particular
characters. I’m also questioning if it is even reasonable for me to feel this
way.
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In the eyes of the author, George R. R. Martin, he
made it clear in an interview that he wanted the audience to pause before
cheering by saying, “but Joffrey in the books is still a 13-year-old kid.
And there’s kind of a moment there where he knows that he’s dying and he can’t
get a breath and he’s kind of looking at Tyrion and at his mother and at the
other people in the hall with just terror and appeal in his eyes—you know,
“Help me mommy, I’m dying.” And in that moment, I think even Tyrion sees a
13-year-old boy dying before him.”
Now I’ve never looked at Joffrey like this, and I know some of my fellow fans
haven’t either, but boy does it smack me in the face when I do remember his
age.
I have two thirteen-year-old brothers, and realizing
that Joffrey, as horrible as he was, is that much of a baby, my heart breaks. I
am slightly disgusted with myself for laughing when I read his death scene.
Would other people feel the same if they took a step back and processed that
Joffrey was a child? Would you? He couldn’t beg for help because he could not
breathe, but if he had been able to talk, would we have paused and hoped for
him to be spared? I don’t think I would have, because he truly was a vile
little monster, but I don’t believe his death brings me the same level of
satisfaction anymore.
Yeah, he’s a fictional character and doesn’t truly
exist, but there have been studies showing that we as humans become attached to
these characters. In an article Eleanor Cummins wrote, she says that a
person feeling the loss of a character need others to recognize it so that they
can process the grief properly.
Now this is all nice and I agree with her, but does this mean that we also have
the right to celebrate a character’s death? Or do we process the joy rather
than the grief? I’m unsure of this, but I assume that’s how it works. Almost
like celebrating a bad person’s downfall in real life I presume. But even then,
I find myself feeling sad because someone has died, if the result is death,
because, as unrealistic as it is, I feel that everyone can be saved or at the
least redeemed.
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Moving on to Theon for a moment, he is not murdered.
No, Martin is much more creative with this villain. He introduces a bigger
a**hole who takes Theo- no, Reek, his name is Reek we must not forget that, and
makes him nothing. Through the process of Reek's pain, he is stripped bare and I
think this is why we want him to have a happier ending than Joffrey. Actually,
watching someone be tortured is not as enjoyable and simply having justice
served on a silver platter, I guess a King will always have it better, even in
death. We get to watch and read about Theon becoming Reek and quite frankly it
hurts. Reek is older, I believe he’s in his early twenties at this point, but
he is still a child in some ways. The thoughts that go through his head,
wishing himself dead, hits a little different. During this long process in
which Theon had, as Dominic LeRose says, “completely lost his identity,” I want better for him. Rather than hoping he dies
and has a taste of his own medicine, I began to root for him. I want him to
live, to fight, to escape, I just don’t want him dead anymore. But, why? Why do
I root for him, but not Joffrey?
I believe that there are a few reasons for hoping that
Theon lives and not Joffrey. To begin with, they had very different lives.
Joffrey was the true definition of a spoiled brat who had everything and
anything he ever wanted, where Theon was sent away from home at a young age and
forced to search for somewhere to belong, never quite finding it. Because of
this, I think it’s easier to feel empathy for Theon. He’s more human and
realistic because of these things, where Joffrey is the mean kid who bullied
you all the time. Towards the end, I think that anyone would begin to feel
sorry for Theon. He becomes this beaten-down thing and it’s hard not to pity
him. In addition to this, Theon is arguably better than Joffrey was. Not in the
sense that he was a better villain, but in the sense that he was a better
person.
All Joffrey wanted to do was to hurt people. He was
truly a sadist. He got off on harming others and making them suffer. Theon
acted on what he believed would make him belong. A lot of it was him trying to
make his father see him as a son again. After being away for so long as a ward
of Winterfell, he wasn’t really part of his people anymore and it killed him.
Theon also threatened a lot, where Joffrey acted. Theon lied about killing the
Stark boys, Joffrey straight up had Ned beheaded in front of the girl he was
supposed to marry, oh yeah, she just happened to be Ned’s daughter. Not to
mention he also made her look at the heads, her fathers and her septas, after
they were displayed on spikes. Truly, Theon was a much better person than
Joffrey. He deserves our hopes of redemption. Joffrey doesn’t.
All of this being said though, I still feel a twang of
grief for Joffrey. Yeah, he’s horrible. I hate him. I want him dead, but I
don’t think it’s all white or all black. It’s a pretty dark shade of grey
though. I feel sorrow for finding joy in a child’s life being taken, but I
don’t want him back. Theon on the other hand, I want him to live even though I
highly doubt he does. These two characters are both villains. Great villains
actually. The perfect amount of ‘love to watch them be the horrid people they
are’ with just a dash of ‘hopefully they die but not in such a bad way’ type of
villains. Is it bad that I think this way? Maybe, I’m not sure. But at the same
time, I shouldn’t wish them dead, that almost makes me a villain from a
different world. After all, villains are humans too.
This blog post really made me think about the way I watch one of my favorite shows. When we discussed Joffrey in class, I did not mince words about how I felt about him as a person. I think he is a legitimately terrible human being. I also think this is what makes him such a good character. There is nothing good about him. We don’t have to worry about reconciling our feelings of positive feelings for aspects of his character with our hatred at the way he behaves. However, this puts us in an interesting position when he dies. We don’t have to feel bad for him or sympathy for his awful mother because he is not a three-dimensional character that we sympathize with. This had always been my stance until I read your writing. Now, I’m forced to think about Joffrey as a real person. He had hopes and dreams. His mother wanted to see him grow up. He was only a kid. I don’t like having to process these feelings, but I guess its good for me. You made a villain seem human and I applaud that. Go you!
ReplyDeleteI agree with John, I absolutely hated Joffery through the whole show until his death. Some comments say you loved to hate him, and I cant even say that because of my deep hatred of this character. from the moment he took the iron throne I knew the corruption in Kings landing was only going to build. When he passed away in his mothers arms, I didn't feel the joy I was expecting to feel when he died. I excepted to see Joffery die by being beheaded, but now that he is gone, i'm still happy to never have to see him again.
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ReplyDeleteI really liked how you said that “Villains are Human too” and yes, I see the point of this and understand completely. I think it is easier for the audience to be so excited and unapologetically relieved that he’s gone because it is a fantasy series. Yes, we are aware it is quite possible and more than likely has happened BUT I think of it like, hey there is one less a**hole in the world (of fantasy) or general. I guess I kind of feel bad for Theon in the part of being tortured and being mentally abused, wouldn’t wish that on anyone. I do agree that I feel more emotionally pulled to Theon just for that reason, and that reason only. I think it’s interesting that you want Theon to fight his way out of this when he couldn’t do that in simple task before then, I just think he needs to be put out of his misery.
ReplyDeleteI think you point out some legitimate issues in our reactions to Joffrey's death versus Theon's torture. I do wonder if the show and setting complicate the degree to which we should think of these characters as children, though. Martin keeps saying that the viewer is watching a child die in the scene with Joffrey, but 13 in medieval England is not the same as 13 today. The age of consent was defined as 11, I believe, and rightly or wrongly many considered 13 an adult in this time period. Joffrey is, after all, at his wedding in this scene, an event traditionally seen as a gateway to adulthood. So should we really view him as a child?
ReplyDeleteIn that time he was considered an adult, but he is still a child. Like today, I am twenty years old and that is considered an adult, but I am still a kid to some degree. Age doesn't mark being an adult, it can be an identifier but it isn't solid. Not to mention, Joffrey is a petulant child. He is childish in his actions and his grandfather sends him to bed, proving that he is still just a misled boy.
DeleteI like your pints of Theons death and Jofferys death. As Theon was tortured we wanted it to just end and not even watch. But because Joffery was poisoned and was making fun of Tyrean prior to this we "loved" to see it. Jofferys death was quick and to the point, enough for viewers to be able to watch. Usually humans dont like to watch gory, torturous pain and i think that played a significant role in how people reacted to it.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed your post sometimes when we look at villainous characters in a story we look at them as these pure embodiments of evil that don’t share any of the qualities that make a person human and when we do this we can lose a lot of nuances.I feel that understanding how a villain became who the way they are and who or what molded them into the person they are adds a lot to the story especially with two characters Joffrey and theon. Joffrey, in particular, is a character that commits monstrous acts on a regular basis so he deserves the hate he gets but I think you presented a perspective that adds an extra layer to how one views the character because he is child raised by some of the worse people in game of thrones.I also agree with your perspective of theon he is a character that deserves a far better fate then Joffrey because he is given fate worse than death.
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